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another weird s/pdif unstability problem in BIII dac with sidecar and s/pdif pcb
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hello I have a related issue like Henri in two differently configured BIII/Legato/sidecar/4xs/pdif based dac´s: dac A: when I hook up s/pdif sources to input 1 and 2 which are configured for consumer lvl they both work fine if both sources are powered on sources are 2 different consumer lvl players and swapping inputs changes nothing, so it´s not source related if source is hooked up to 1 with open input 2, or souce 2 is powered off, signal doesn´t lock properly same with 2 live and 1 open, or unpowered if I remove cables from rca plug to pcb on 2, 1 works fine and vice versa sidecar pcm selection is powered with separate switch feeding I2C header 3,3 vdc routed to "b" on sidecar this works just fine, independant of s/pdif problem ac gnd goes to chassis back aluplate and all other pcbs connectors etc are isolated from chassis aluplate I´ll get back to dac B later best Leif Edited by user Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:44:14 AM(UTC)
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in the neverending pursuit of solving this stupid problem: Yesterday I experimented with pulling positive s/pdif inputs to gnd on s/pdif pcb via resistor from 180R, 3K3, 10K and it improved stabilty lock is also influenced by gnding minus on unused input, but not well enough TPA guys: you say plenty of people use this combo: how do they gnd their units? have they actually tested using only one input at the time, with the others open? I don´t see why e.g input 1 should be dependant on powered on source on input 2 to get stable lock
best Leif
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That's exactly what I also want to know. grts Henri
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it´s something "fishy" going on I have basically same problem in 2 different BIII based dac´s and they´re not my first project either if all worked normally the s/dif inputs should be indentical and not dependant on each other each input should be possible to use with steady lock whether the other inputs are occupied or not, powered or not.... given the utter silence in these two particular threads and "radio silence" on mail, I suspect/hope there might be some "activity behind the scenes" I choose the patient approach for the time being best Leif
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There is nothing happening other than two guys with real full time jobs. We can't watch the forum all the time. :) Each input into the SPDIF 4 is exactly the same. I would suspect there is likely a GND loop issue. I would experiment as you are doing. Some sources will not handle transformer coupling well, and you may want to bypass the transformer for those sources. To do that you must remove the transformer (so that you don't load the secondaries) and replace it with 2 wires going from the primary pads to the secondary pads. Cheers! Russ Edited by user Friday, April 13, 2012 6:45:26 AM(UTC)
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ok but I think you guys might be familiar with the dvd 1930 which is one of the sources do you know if it dislikes x-former coupling mvh Leif
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I don't honestly remember. I don't have one on hand at the moment to test.
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Can you post a diagram of your input connections and power wiring?
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hello B you´ve got mail with pictures best Leif
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Leif, having seen the pictures, your ribbon cable is much too long, and it should never wrap over itself. You should put the SPDIF/Sidecar modules both directly in line behind the DAC. Russ White attached the following image(s): IMG_1616.JPG (183kb) downloaded 350 time(s).You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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ok will do but the other dac is done like you say the power connections are good , right? best Leif
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Hi Leif, Don't know exactly what the resistors on input 1 and 2 are meant for. I assume for tuning the input impedance or something like that. But one thing at least seems not right to my view. The R on input 1 shorts the plus and minus, while the R on input 2 shorts positive and ground? Maybe you just want to load the inputs? Just a try, Ed
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The leads to the Exa seem very long as well, Ed (forget my former post, I see now you did it on purpose)
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Hello Ed Exa is stable know they could be shorter but cause no problem best Leif
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hello folks re-positioned BIII and L3 straight behind s/pdif board so ribbon cable to sidecar is less than 2 inches and without twists or bends sidecar is soldered straight on to BIII dig in header I2S cables are much shorter still same problem single input to s/pdif 1 with open unconnected s/pdif 2=unstable lock, but if I gnd minus on input 1 to alu backplate which is hooked up to ac gnd, lock is stable If I repeat procedure on input 2, no effect of minus to gnd if both sources are hooked up to s/pdif 1&2 and both are powered , both lock perfectly Leif
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hello again tested dac B as well: same issues
TPA: are you guys sure you have tried connecting all inputs to s/pdif board and that you can just connect one source to any of the inputs with perfect lock and no issues? I have to either remove connections from chassis connector to board on unused inputs or hook up another powered source
best Leif
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Yes, I use all 4 sources and they are typically all on at the same time. Did you try not using transformer coupling as suggested?
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ok my inputs work ok too, when all is powered, otherwise no steady lock on active unit no have not had time yet do I have to desolder and take them out? should the jumpers go in the "length" direction of the pcb, or in input-output direction? best Leif
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Make no difference for me whether any are off or on.
It really makes no sense that one being off would create issues. I am a bit baffled with that one.
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baffled is my middle name! I´ll get to it later today best Leif
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