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pelliott123  
#21 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:03:06 AM(UTC)
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talking about grounds are the holes/pads around the mounting points grounded to the pcb ground plane?
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#22 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:33:12 AM(UTC)
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talking about grounds are the holes/pads around the mounting points grounded to the pcb ground plane?


No.

I do not recommend connecting the power supply grounds to the chassis for this circuit. Connect mains ground to the chassis. Otherwise, just use the ground connections provided in the terminal blocks.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:15:02 PM(UTC)
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More progress (or not!)

1. I tried lifting the source off the mains totally. This was done by using a UPS running off only its battery, unplugged from the mains totally. No change.

2. Tried a (cheaper) alternative SPDIF cable. The lock itself was a little worse, and took longer to recover. Went back to proper coax.

3. Tried isolation transformer for source and DAC. This was done by connecting a pair of identical transformers back-to-back. The transformers were only 220VA, so I didn't run the tests for very long. Zero improvement, so I don't know that an isolation transformer will eventually work.

I could really use some ideas until the 9018 comes along. A lot of people in my apartment keep switching on and off appliances, so get a pop every few minutes. Can't focus on the music at all.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:45:04 PM(UTC)
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sangram wrote:
More progress (or not!)

1. I tried lifting the source off the mains totally. This was done by using a UPS running off only its battery, unplugged from the mains totally. No change.

2. Tried a (cheaper) alternative SPDIF cable. The lock itself was a little worse, and took longer to recover. Went back to proper coax.

3. Tried isolation transformer for source and DAC. This was done by connecting a pair of identical transformers back-to-back. The transformers were only 220VA, so I didn't run the tests for very long. Zero improvement, so I don't know that an isolation transformer will eventually work.

I could really use some ideas until the 9018 comes along. A lot of people in my apartment keep switching on and off appliances, so get a pop every few minutes. Can't focus on the music at all.


Have you tried an isolation Dig Tx on the SPdif line?

Winder
sangram  
#25 Posted : Sunday, February 1, 2009 12:22:10 AM(UTC)
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Ummm no, there's already one on the output of the source but I guess I'll give it a shot. We don;t get such things in this country - will one salvaged from an old LAN card help?
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#26 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 8:10:45 AM(UTC)
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Brian Donegan wrote:

I do not recommend connecting the power supply grounds to the chassis for this circuit. Connect mains ground to the chassis. Otherwise, just use the ground connections provided in the terminal blocks.

Where is main ground for you?
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#27 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 8:30:03 AM(UTC)
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hello again
ok found out I had some instable noise on the outputs of the B and decided to reconfigure the layout on my sloppy breadboard design
all x-formers to the left and following a line to the right with respective psu´s and then stacked B and I with usb card on the side.Ivy psu gnd to usb psu gnd and mains to chassis
result: dead quiet and yesterday during an hour or more playing;; NO DROPOUTS :d/ :d/
also even cleaner and more transparent sound
best
Leif
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#28 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 2:16:01 PM(UTC)
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christensenleif@msn.com wrote:
hello again
ok found out I had some instable noise on the outputs of the B and decided to reconfigure the layout on my sloppy breadboard design
all x-formers to the left and following a line to the right with respective psu´s and then stacked B and I with usb card on the side.Ivy psu gnd to usb psu gnd and mains to chassis
result: dead quiet and yesterday during an hour or more playing;; NO DROPOUTS :d/ :d/
also even cleaner and more transparent sound
best
Leif


Great news!
christensenleif@msn.com  
#29 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 2:38:29 PM(UTC)
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indeed!
listening to waltz for debby with bill evans trio and it´s really swinging
had a friend over on friday and he was really impressed of how close this was to my basis/airtangent reference/lyra titan i/lyra erodion x-former/thorsten loesch/borderpatrol 150 lbs diy lcr riaa combo.
not bad?

best
Leif

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pelliott123  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 3, 2009 8:49:53 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the answer that the mounting holes are floating, just wanted to make sure the MUX/Buffalo/IVY stack is isolated from the chassis, I was about to use nylon spacers and screws. I am making sure all input and output jacks are isolated from the chassis also.
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:22:35 PM(UTC)
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christensenleif@msn.com wrote:
indeed!
listening to waltz for debby with bill evans trio and it´s really swinging
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best
Leif


Great record. In case you don't know them, you should try Kenny Barron Trio, live at Bradley's, I and II.
sangram  
#32 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2009 11:45:17 PM(UTC)
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Odd, I don't have the problem any more. It seemingly fixed itself when I moved all the equipment to a new A/V rack. The Buffalo didn't seem to lock on anything at first after the change, so I had to reset it using the onboard header and after a power cycle it locked down on the signal.

The popping is completely gone. The only other change I made was some cable management (not on the Buffalo). Finally, the power cord for the distribution block was straightened out instead of curled up around itself.

This is weird, I hope it doesn't resurface as I have no idea how it was fixed.
sangram  
#33 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2009 2:56:22 AM(UTC)
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Last post here, this is only for reference. So my PC was full of very noisy fans, so I took it down for a complete overhaul. New power supply, fans changed out and mounted with rubber clips, and remove the noisy CPU fan. Connect it back to the Buffalo and wham! the popping is back. Any electrical switch being flipped causing a dropout and loss of composure. So I enable the onboard audio, and connect the Buffalo there. No galvanic isolation, and very ordinary sound.

Go through the E-mu again and reset the Buffalo. Automute comes on. Switch off the UPS, and start it up again. Popping cured completely. So the cycle that seems to work is:

Popping -> Reset Buffalo (automute light on) -> Power cycle source and Buffalo together -> no popping.

I don't know that it even begins to make sense, but maybe it will help anyone else. During all of this, no change has been made to the Buffalo at all, it is still resting on a poor old fiber board platform.
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#34 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2009 6:20:30 AM(UTC)
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what probably cured my problem was moving the usb-pcb psu further away from the pcb
I still have an occasional dropout where the automute kicks in,but I suspect that to be my side by side icemaker fridge.also I get occasional dropouts triggered by certain bathroom light switches or even the bathroom floor heatercables.
despite an extensive power filtering,it´s impossible to get rid of these spikes.
maybe a dc-blocker on the system would do the trick
best
Leif
sangram  
#35 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2009 7:32:23 AM(UTC)
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Strange, I don't even get the slightest popping. Fingers crossed.

My system is spread out over a 14"x28" piece of fiberboard, a remnat of an old table. I used garden variety solid core in twisted pairs to hook the boards to each other. And shielded single-core wire for digital in and analog out.

I guess things will become a little testy once I move it into a proper chassis.
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#36 Posted : Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:34:11 AM(UTC)
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avr300 wrote:
christensenleif@msn.com wrote:
indeed!
listening to waltz for debby with bill evans trio and it´s really swinging
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best
Leif


Great record. In case you don't know them, you should try Kenny Barron Trio, live at Bradley's, I and II.


My Buffalo works great with no drops but I wanted to inject my thanks for the Kenny Baron recommendation. I had never heard of them and bought the disc based on this recommendation. It is excellent! Great piano playing with very clear and balanced live sound.

Thanks

Thomas
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#37 Posted : Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:10:37 AM(UTC)
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I use my PC with my Buffalo DAC using USB. I too had a problem with random popping and slight drop outs. After a couple of weeks listing, I finally realized it only happens when I power up my computer up before my DAC. Problem solved, now i just make shore i turn the DAC on first or if the computer is already on I unplug the usb cord before i power up the DAC. Sounds beautiful now, nice DAC.

avr300  
#38 Posted : Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:39:05 AM(UTC)
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thomaspf wrote:

My Buffalo works great with no drops but I wanted to inject my thanks for the Kenny Baron recommendation. I had never heard of them and bought the disc based on this recommendation. It is excellent! Great piano playing with very clear and balanced live sound.

Thanks

Thomas


You're welcome.

Remember, there are two disc's,

http://www.amazon.com/Li...8QUL/ref=pd_bxgy_m_img_b

and

http://www.amazon.com/Li...WIDK/ref=pd_bxgy_m_img_b

of which I prefer the first, but it could be due to the fact, that it has been on here at least 100 times Think

Sorry for beeing OT.
pidesd  
#39 Posted : Wednesday, September 9, 2009 12:11:43 PM(UTC)
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hi everyone,

i just received my bufalo24 board and i cant get proper lock

its fine for 1 minute and than i loose the signal progressively. then when i power up again shortly after it locks for 10 secs max than nothing( like maybe something bad is accumulating, may be heat?). could it be that i use 12 vots for both dc input with the same psu? what do you guys have found as being the best solutions of this type of problem?

regards,

-pierre
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, September 9, 2009 12:16:22 PM(UTC)
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12VDC is too high. If you have not already, you will soon kill the onboard voltage regulators. Try 5-7.5VDC
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