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dublin78  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:06:24 AM(UTC)
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Greetings.

Please help, I am considering the Buffalo 2 DAC, and I have a few questions:

First off: Could I use a Nelson Pass B1 Buffer instead of the IVY stage?

http://passdiy.com/pdf/B1%20Buffer%20Preamp.pdf
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:15:44 PM(UTC)
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You could, but the DAC would be used as a voltage source (not ideal). Why not try a stage that was purpose designed for the application? Say Legato. ;)
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#3 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:59:27 AM(UTC)
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I think you could go with Pass D1 as I/V.
Go thru topic
http://www.diyaudio.com/...ass-labs-d1-ess-dac.html
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Russ White  
#4 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:36:20 AM(UTC)
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Sure the D1 is a solid choice, but not ideal. Even with massive rail voltage which just adds complexity and wasted current.

The Legato is the same type of circuit as the D1 (Common base/gate amplifier), but improved with much lower input impedance. It is low input impedance that is most critical for the ESS DAC.

I designed the Legato after a lot of experimentation with circuits like the D1 because I got much better results, both measured and heard, and yes I have tried it exactly as Owen decribed, and no my mind is not changed. :)

Legato is a product of lots of R&D and the desire not compromise just for the moniker "D1". It also supports SE output directly. :)

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#5 Posted : Saturday, January 1, 2011 8:35:17 AM(UTC)
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Would adding a balanced B1 setup AFTER the Legato be of any use, in say a situation where the power amp has a lowish input impedance (10k or something)?

Btw, Russ, have you experimented with any plastic caps to replace the stock output ones on Legato? Any subjective comments/recommendations would be more than welcome. :)

Happy New Year!
dublin78  
#6 Posted : Saturday, January 1, 2011 10:34:39 AM(UTC)
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Hi
Maybe there is some confusion: I was asking whether a Pass B1 buffer could be used instead of the IVY, not the D1.
The B1 is a passive preamp/buffer, an impedance matching device that utilises JFets.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, January 1, 2011 6:17:58 PM(UTC)
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The output impedance of the legato is already about the same or even a little lower than the B1, so adding one would only add complexity and unnecessary devices in the signal path. I would not suggest using it.

Cheers!
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dublin78 wrote:
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Maybe there is some confusion: I was asking whether a Pass B1 buffer could be used instead of the IVY, not the D1.
The B1 is a passive preamp/buffer, an impedance matching device that utilises JFets.


I would not. B1 is not an I/V stage. The DAC would have to work in voltage output mode, and the is far from ideal.
dublin78  
#9 Posted : Saturday, January 1, 2011 7:11:53 PM(UTC)
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Russ: Thank you for your explanations. You have persuaded me to go with one of your IV stages.

I will most likely use a Volumite controller, and go fully balanced to the Hypex modules, so the next question is Legato, or IVY?

Pros and cons, please.

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#10 Posted : Sunday, January 2, 2011 3:41:50 AM(UTC)
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Pro for IVYiii with Hypex:
IVYIII is DC-coupled and you may bypass the buffer stage on the hypex modules. No caps or buffers in signal path. Sound great

Pro for Legato with Hypex:
I still have to try it......

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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 6, 2011 4:26:49 AM(UTC)
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Despite the above post (Thanks Nic), I am probably going to use the Legato stage, as it appears to be purpose designed for the latest Buffalo.

Can the Legato be DC coupled also? I am not sure that I want to remove parts from the Hypex modules.

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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 6, 2011 7:17:00 AM(UTC)
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Also IVYIII was purpose designed for the latest Buffalo....
The legato cannot be DC coupled but as the Hypex modules have caps on the input I guess that having them also on the Legato output is at best unnecessary.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 6, 2011 7:23:50 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Nic.
It looks like IVY III is the winner.
I will post about my progress.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 6, 2011 10:53:13 AM(UTC)
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NicMac wrote:
Also IVYIII was purpose designed for the latest Buffalo....
The legato cannot be DC coupled but as the Hypex modules have caps on the input I guess that having them also on the Legato output is at best unnecessary.


Nope. Better keep them.

Once back the the past, I discovered that DC on input at the UcD180 will lead to PSU pumping. I was testing my Hypex with a faulty CD player, introducing a couple of volt at the input of the UcD. Suddenly the overvoltage protection in the amp triggered, measuring (can't remember exactly) +35/-60V on 40V caps. Pretty scary.

I didn't test my findings - wasn't ready to blow up the PSU caps.

Don't apply DC at input of a UcD - not even if it's AC coupled.

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