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Gabbb  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:09:27 AM(UTC)
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I started soldering my Placid 2gether and I noticed that certain things in the layout and capacitor type even have changed comparing to the picture on the Tpa home page. I'm interested why You guys made these changes and how it affects the sound. Also please take a look at the picture below, in case something looks rlly wrong, pls tell.. :)

Also I'm a soldering noob, please tell me, if it's enough to solder the components on the bottom side of the board, or not. I have a placid bp assembled by someone else and I can see that everything is soldered top+bottom!

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:41:12 AM(UTC)
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It's enough to solder from the bottom. If you don't see solder on top, you're likely not feeding solder enough or too slow.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:29:14 PM(UTC)
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Yes, the Placid in the TPA site is the old version. The new one was redesigned to get rid of some instability and matches the new schematic in the site.

As for soldering, you don't even have to see solder in the other side. You just have to make sure the solder flows (this is the key point). This means that there will be a point that the solder will become liquid and conform/stick to the wire and pad. If you keep feeding more solder, it will flow the other side as well. Since I don't want to overheat the components, once I see the solder flow, I stop feeding more solder, so I seldom have solder flow to the front side to the point that it looks like being soldered there. (Besides, if you put so much solder, it will be much harder to rework if you made a mistake)

But having solder flow depends on the type of solder and the flux content. Best for me is regular leaded type with high flux content (I think 3.3%). I used to use lead-free, but that was a pain to use and a much bigger pain to rework.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:36:37 AM(UTC)
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I powered it up! And it works as intended. Without any load I set it to 5,5V and 350mA without any difficulties. Do I have to change anything before I connect it to the Buffalo2, or 5,5V and 350mA means I'm good to go?
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#5 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:52:18 PM(UTC)
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You should be just fine.
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#6 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 3:39:08 AM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
You should be just fine.


I fired it up with the B2. I'm a bit concerned that something is wrong, because the mute led is rlly faint compared to the leds on the Placid, but apart from that it seems fine.

edit: Other thing I noticed, one heatsink on the Placid gets rlly hot while the other one is barely warm. I'm using the 15VA Avel transformer.

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#7 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 5:34:58 AM(UTC)
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That's probably normal, but can you post a picture or two of your transformer wiring and the links to the Buffalo, just to be sure?
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#8 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 6:34:26 AM(UTC)
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It's alarming, because now it's winter and the heatsink is in free air :D What will happen during the summer, 35°c combined with casing..

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#9 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 7:34:56 AM(UTC)
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In the meantime I started setting up my Placid BP 2.1.1
In the manual I've read this: "Then adjust the VOUT pots(VR3 and
VR4) to their maximum resistance which should be ~2K"
The problem is VR3's maximum resistance is 1,7k and in case of VR4 it's as little as 700. I plan to power a Legato with balse enabled. Is that even possible with these maximum resistance values? Can I safely power it up like this without any load?

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#10 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 8:57:16 AM(UTC)
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You really should be using a fuse from the mains.

Double check your resistance measurements at the pots. the 1.7K measurement is about normal and within the tolerance. The 700ohm measurement is definitely low. Are you sure you have the pots fully adjusted? Be careful not to adjust past the stops.

Yes you can power it up. Just check the output voltage and current before connecting it to the load.

As for the hot heatsinks, It perfectly fine for them to run up into the 50-60C range. But you can adjust the CCS current until the shunted current is 30ma or so and you will be in good shape.

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#11 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 12:27:59 PM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
You really should be using a fuse from the mains.

Double check your resistance measurements at the pots. the 1.7K measurement is about normal and within the tolerance. The 700ohm measurement is definitely low. Are you sure you have the pots fully adjusted? Be careful not to adjust past the stops.

Yes you can power it up. Just check the output voltage and current before connecting it to the load.

As for the hot heatsinks, It perfectly fine for them to run up into the 50-60C range. But you can adjust the CCS current until the shunted current is 30ma or so and you will be in good shape.






Thanks a lot!

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#12 Posted : Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:16:55 AM(UTC)
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Gabbb,

I would not rest your circuit boards on the antistatic bags while powered up! - I don't know if the metallised coating is on the bag inner or outer surface,but you may well risk a short or at least an inadvertant resistive connection via the bag.

Martin
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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:19:18 AM(UTC)
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I actually recommend putting the standoffs on the board as soon as you take them out of the package, as it makes the board itself a little table, and lessens the chances the bottom will touch something bad.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:00:52 AM(UTC)
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I'm in the process of ordering parts to upgrade my old Placids to the more "stable" version.
Should the 220pF caps be ceramic as per the original BOM or is it better if I go for MKP that, if I'm not mistaken, are included in current kits?
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#15 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:07:16 AM(UTC)
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Ceramics are fine. I prefer NP0/C0G types.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:51:21 AM(UTC)
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Thank god the antistatic bag haven't killed anything :)

Currently I have 2 troubling issues with the project. Firstly I don't seem to have the small black connector for the buffalo 2. I assume b2/legato stacking works the same way as b2/small shunt reg. I have the 2x the 3 pins on the Legato, but the pins aint long enough without the black connector and I seem to have a problem finding a replacement part. Is it possible to order a new pair of mini connectors from TPA? In case not I will just have to solder some cables onto the Legato board, however I'm not rlly keen on the idea.

As for the Legato and Placid BP they both run extremly hot (uncomparable to the normal Placid with the buffalo2), the resistors on the legato are in the 60-70c-s which is alarming but I guess it can be used like that, however 2 heatsinks out of the 4 on the Placid are untouchable, my guess is the heatsink is in the 70-80s and the IC is even more and this is still in free air. Current settings are 12 volt and 275mA/rail (anything lower than 275 and there is sag) "We recommend ±12VDC (for best performance and minimized heat) powered by a 15V+15V transformer (available here)." My question is if I lower the voltage to 11V (or even a bit lower), how much will the sound quality suffer and can I expect both the Legato and the Placit both to become colder, or it won't matter much?

I started thinking once the alu case I ordered arrives I create some aluminium pads to transfer some of the heat directly from the heatsinks to the case, alltho I would prefer them to run a bit colder ^^
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#17 Posted : Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:49:44 PM(UTC)
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I can happily report that 2day the b2 started to sing. It sounds really awesome. Placid bp heatsinks are still really hot etc, but at least it works great :)
Thanks for the great sounding product!
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