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suffolk tony  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:46:52 AM(UTC)
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Hello folks.

This is my first posting on the Twisted Pear Forum. I was led here by a friend who suggested one of these DACs as probably a major step up from my first DIY project, a heavily-modified Gigaworks DAC.

I'm very new to DIY audio and I confess much of the technology's rather difficult for an old chap like me to grasp. I can solder, measure current, voltage etc. and know how to be careful with mains voltage!

Anyway, my aim is to build the best version of the Buffalo I can, given my limited skill-set. Reading through the options available, I've come up with the following list of components I think I'd need for a dual-mono, unbalanced version with SP/DIF and Toslink inputs :-

2x DAC Modules, Placid PSU, 9V Transformer, Legato Kit, Placid BP PSU, 15V Transformer, Ballsie, MUX, Toslink Module, and LCDPS kit.

My intention would to buy fully assembled and tested modules where offered. I'm pretty sure I can populate a board with components, even though I might sweat a fair bit in the process!

I would really appreciate all comments and suggestions; is someone like me capable of producing a satisfactory result, or do you consider it beyond me? Once assembled and operational I wouldn't wish to spend time tweaking (I haven't got enough grasp of the concepts).

Best wishes!

Tony.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:31:34 AM(UTC)
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IMO dual mono will just overcomplicate things for a beginner, and any benefits in measured performance will almost certainly be lost in your amp.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:59:24 AM(UTC)
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I agree. Start small, ensure everything works and built it up from there.
I would recommend you get the digital volume control.
steinholien  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:30:44 AM(UTC)
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Keep it as simple as possible. It will still be outstanding... You can also skip the Ballsie module since the Legato has a built in Ballsie, and you can skip either the Placid or the LCDPS.
LeonvB  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32:20 AM(UTC)
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I understand the opinions stated, I've just built the BII in a dual mono pre-amp configuration along with an UCD dual mono amp to match it. It's a lot of work, a lot of reading and getting it right takes quite a bit of cash.

But understanding doesn't mean I totally agree. IMO A dual mono isn't too complicated for a first build. Been there, done it. It's certainly more complex than a single board BII and above all much more work but IMO it's worth it. You could start with a normal stereo setup and later on expand it to dual mono if you feel intimidated by the responses.

Make sure your amp is up for the task. My old amp wasn't a bad one, but the UCD 700HG simply destroys it. And it isn't even that much more expensive. It's very difficult to figure out what exactly makes it that much better, but going balanced would be on my shortlist. The UCD amps are very easy to build (provided you buy a crimping tool for the connectors). Perhaps a dual mono UCD180HG would already be a big improvement? Going balanced saves you quite some wiring work, an Ballsie, connectors, etc. on the DAC end.
suffolk tony  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:23:52 PM(UTC)
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Many thanks for all the helpful replies so far folks.

I better clarify my situation a bit more here; my stereo system's pretty good, a Naim active setup using 552 preamp (5 pin DIN inputs plus a couple of RCAs, no balanced option) into 242 active crossover out two NAP500 power amps & SL2 speakers. Sources are Linn LP12 & Naim 555 CD player, plus the aforementioned Gigaworks DAC fed with an iMac.

Logically one might say the Naim DAC would be the obvious contender here (I've auditioned one a couple of times) but I really fancy something a bit different that I can put together myself and learn a fair bit in the process. Fiddling with my cheap Megaworks DAC I found very satisfying.

My inclination is to use a very simple arrangement - it's to act purely as a DAC with just a couple of inputs (with the option to increase the number if needed), no point in having balanced outputs.

I confess I'm still a bit puzzled over the dual-mono option. Surely this should sound better? Or does my particular requirements not suit this arrangement?

Best wishes!

Tony.
LeonvB  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:39:26 PM(UTC)
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Ok, I'll bite. The obvious choice for the BII is to include the Volumite, despite having a good pre it's almost impossible to get the same SQ as the digital attenuation of the ESS chip. Let's face it, it's not the most expensive part of this build (let alone compared to the rest of the system). And if you don't like it, just unhook the volumite and reinsert the firmware chips on the DACs or simply turn the volume all the way up.
The Naim indeed would be the obvious choice, but if you like DIY the BII is a far more rewarding project. Dual mono does add complexity and cost, and for most people the latter is the biggest problem. Plus some won't notice the improvement because of other components in the chain holding them back.
N.B. please remember to order 2 I/V stages, not one. And 2 Placid BP PSUs for them, along with 2 transformers.
suffolk tony  
#8 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:03:04 AM(UTC)
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OK folks, perhaps I need to build a simpler version, and then upgrade later if I feel the inclination!

I confess to being a bit confused, but I guess the following will secure me a pretty fine Buffalo - DAC Module, Placid PSU, 9V & 12V transformers, Legato kit, MUX, TOSlink module.

How does that sound?
LeonvB  
#9 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:28:37 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget to add a Placid BP for the Legato.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:32:08 PM(UTC)
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My first DAC build was a dual mono opus with a 4:1 mux board, metronome, and of course the LCDPS. It was a bit of a headache to wire up the first time and I didn't get it quite right at first. I had to redo it a couple time but it turned out to be an excellent DAC and well worth the effort. Of course I've done quite a few other electronic projects in the past as well. I think the hardest part of a dual mono setup is getting the wiring right though.
suffolk tony  
#11 Posted : Monday, September 20, 2010 1:41:31 AM(UTC)
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OK, final list (for the time being) - Buffalo DAC module, Placid PSU,9V & 12V transformers, Legato kit, MUX, TOSlink module, Placid BP.

Now, because the only part not in stock is the actual module, is it best to order the other bits first?
LeonvB  
#12 Posted : Monday, September 20, 2010 10:05:33 AM(UTC)
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That would be a good idea as it allows you to start working on it right away. The DAC board stacks on the Legato, so you can already start work on the chassis: just remember to reserve more height for the DAC and AVCC module. Also remember to reserve space for a second Legato and a second Placid BP if you want to expand to dual mono later on.
suffolk tony  
#13 Posted : Monday, September 20, 2010 1:53:02 PM(UTC)
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Thanks LeonvB, I'll take your advice. My plan would be to get things up and running before working out casework and best configuration. This latter gives me no problem, it's the electronics I'm worried about!
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