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hkminn  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 7:11:42 AM(UTC)
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Hi,

I have just finished building Sympatico.
When I turn it on, I hear hum(quite loud white noise) and heat sink gets very hot quickly.
Is this normal? Or something might be wrong?

I am feeding Sympatico with Buffalo32/Volumite directly and speakers are 4ohm.
Power sources are two AN-4222s and R10 is open.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 8:01:40 AM(UTC)
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No, that is not normal. Check for continuity between the V- rail and the heatsink (there should be none).

Does this happen on both channels?
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 8:36:06 AM(UTC)
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Please post photos if you can. Something is definitely wrong.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 9:58:45 AM(UTC)
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Yes, it happens on both channels and there is no continuity between the circuit and heatsink.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 12:17:50 PM(UTC)
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What is the orientation of the opa1632. Is the white bar facing the rectifier or the heatsink?
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 1:25:36 PM(UTC)
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Also please measure the voltage across C11 and C12.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:58:34 PM(UTC)
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You could try another source. I also got white noise when i hooked up my squeeze box to the Sympatico but it was fine when I used my ipod (both single ended).
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 5:52:41 PM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
What is the orientation of the opa1632. Is the white bar facing the rectifier or the heatsink?

The white bar is facing the rectifier.

I will measure the voltages across caps as soon as possible. Is it OK to connect power sources to Sympatico when heat is building up very fast?

I am wondering whether I have connected transformers correctly. I read 40v btw AC1-AC2, 20v btw AC1-CT1, 20v btw AC2-CT2.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 6:28:57 PM(UTC)
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Your transformer voltages seem to indicate that it is attached correctly.

Can you get a closeup shot of the 4780 pins (top and bottom)? I know it's tough to do at this stage.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 6:31:47 PM(UTC)
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sureshm wrote:
You could try another source. I also got white noise when i hooked up my squeeze box to the Sympatico but it was fine when I used my ipod (both single ended).


You need to remember to connect IN- to GND when using a single ended source.

Cheers!
Russ
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 8:41:30 PM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
Also please measure the voltage across C11 and C12.

Btw 13.8v and 14v across both caps.
I measured ( + cap - ) with heatsink farther away with all the connectors disconnected. Is polarity correct?

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 8:42:17 PM(UTC)
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Brian Donegan wrote:
Your transformer voltages seem to indicate that it is attached correctly.

Can you get a closeup shot of the 4780 pins (top and bottom)? I know it's tough to do at this stage.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 7, 2010 9:21:13 PM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
sureshm wrote:
You could try another source. I also got white noise when i hooked up my squeeze box to the Sympatico but it was fine when I used my ipod (both single ended).


You need to remember to connect IN- to GND when using a single ended source.

Cheers!
Russ


Sympatico is connected balanced to B32, which I have been using for almost a year w/o any problem.

My main concern at this stage is more about the heat than the noise. The size of the heatsink I am using is not very big(4"x4"x2" for each 4780). But even when it is idling, LM4780 heats up very quickly and become abnormaly hot, just like when a tube amp is biased too high.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, July 8, 2010 2:17:53 AM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
Please post photos if you can. Something is definitely wrong.

Something must be wrong!!!
I replaced 4ohm speakers with 8ohm speakers, then there was a high frequency beeping instead of white noise. It sounded like a mic feed-back when the mic is placed too close to the speakers on a PA system.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, July 8, 2010 3:43:55 AM(UTC)
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I can't read the part values. Can you send a high resolution picture from the top?

If necessary email it to support@twistedpearaudio.com.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, July 8, 2010 4:04:38 AM(UTC)
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One other thing, ALWAYS when testing a new power amplifier connect the inputs to GND. Not a real source.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:24:54 AM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
I can't read the part values. Can you send a high resolution picture from the top?

If necessary email it to support@twistedpearaudio.com.

Sent via e-mail
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#18 Posted : Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:32:06 AM(UTC)
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I apologize I think I gave you a wrong email address.

Please resend to questions@twistedpearaudio.com
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#19 Posted : Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:44:33 AM(UTC)
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Russ White wrote:
I apologize I think I gave you a wrong email address.

Please resend to questions@twistedpearaudio.com

Sent.
sureshm  
#20 Posted : Thursday, July 8, 2010 6:54:58 AM(UTC)
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hkminn, to help me understand if we both are having the same problem, could you please connect both IN+ and IN- to GND (as Russ suggested) and measure voltage from OUT+ to GND and OUT- to GND when the power is on?
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