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Joshua_G  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 6, 2009 12:29:09 PM(UTC)
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Just installed the Buffalo 32s, in the same box and other parts (PSUs, MUX) as the previous Buffalo 24.
Buffalo 24 worked perfectly, however, the Buffalo 32s Lock LED flickers every now and than and while it flickers, the sound is lost. The Lock LED on the MUX board is steady and constant all along. It flickers usually few times a minute, sometimes every few minutes. Whatever settings of theDIP Switch make no difference.

Any ideas?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 8, 2009 8:36:30 AM(UTC)
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I have a similar problem but I've noticed that it only occurs when a household device that has a large current draw on the mains (an iron for example)is switched on or off that it makes my Buffalo32s drop out like yours for about half a second.

It would seem to suggest a grounding problem but I can't find anything amiss, I assume that you've joined the L1 and L2 pads on the Buffalo?

Anyway try switching a soldering iron or domestic iron on and off too see if it's that - maybe I've just got dodgy mains around here!

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 8, 2009 9:05:40 AM(UTC)
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Thanks.
L1 and L2 came shorted already. No domestic iron or soldering iron are working. In the same household mains situation, Buffalo 24 didn't have that problem.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 8, 2009 10:07:49 AM(UTC)
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Yes I didn't have the problem on my Buff24 either only on the Buff32......strange.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 8, 2009 3:17:17 PM(UTC)
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I can't think of any good reason for it to happen, but I have also had a similar issue with buf24 and other DACs where if I switched on and off a ceiling fan it would momentarily lose lock.

For me replacing the ceiling fan resolved the issue.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 9, 2009 1:30:43 PM(UTC)
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As I wrote earlier, it is the same household electrical situation in my house while the Buffalo 24 played before and the Buffalo 32 is plying now, nothing is switching on and off, definitely not few times a minutes. I need to test it further. It's a 4 meter coax cable from a Satellite TV setbox (which worked fine with Buffalo 24). I'll try 1 meter cable from a CD player and also toslink.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:27:24 AM(UTC)
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I have Buff32 and my automute LED flickers every few seconds when Buff is powered and every thing else is off in my audio system, or even if I disconnect all signal cables. When system is on everything is fine and it stays locked except when I do anything with AC(turning on or off a component, plug or unplug an AC power cord, etc, around my system I will loose lock only very briefly. I have pretty good AC filtering on my digital stuff (either a Felix common mode or a John Mather filter, I cant remember which right now)
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#8 Posted : Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:56:47 PM(UTC)
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I have somehat similar behavior to what Pelliot123 is seeing. The lock light flickers every 10-15s when the Buffalo32 is powered on but everything else is off.

Once in a while the DAC even makes a chirp when the amp is turned on.

Cheers

Thomas
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#9 Posted : Friday, September 11, 2009 6:09:11 AM(UTC)
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I have been leaving the Buff32 on 24/7 and once it is in a box, I will use the LED from the MUX as my indication of a lock.
Joshua_G  
#10 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 10:29:25 AM(UTC)
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Problem partially solved.

The Buffalo32s seems to be more sensitive to HF interference than the Buffalo 24, while Buffalo 24 is fairly sensitive to such interference.

My solution took few steps.

1. 0.1u capacitors were added to the power supplies (analog and digital), in parallel to C5, C6, C7, C8 C9 and C10.
2. 0.1u capacitors were added right at the DC in (parallel to ground) of each of the boards. That is, VA and VD on the Buffalo board and all other digital boards, especially CS8416 Mux.
3. All the leads from the power supplies to the various boards are screened. I used an old cheap interconnect cable for that.

Now the Buffalo32s behaves much like the buffalo 24 did, without any tweaks. That is, it's basically stable, other than the sync is being lost whenever a light bulb is being turned on or off anywhere in the room. This is still not good enough, for no one of the other, commercial, DACs I have is that sensitive.

Those are my suggestions.
1. There would better be an option to add 0.1u capacitors in the places I mentioned on the various power supplies, including placid and at the DC in of all other boards, including various DACs.
2. In a possible new layout of Buffalo32s, and/or in the layout of the tweak Buffalo32s (the one without I/V), there would better be provision to add a shield, covering the LD regulators, the crystal and may be also the DAC chip.

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#11 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 10:32:33 AM(UTC)
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Are you using a shielded case?
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#12 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 10:53:12 AM(UTC)
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Yes, a shielded iron case from an old equalizer.
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#13 Posted : Friday, October 2, 2009 1:25:17 PM(UTC)
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I remember another tweak for a different DAC on a diy forum where the author glued small pieces of copper directly on top of all the digital chips in the DAC, that were then grounded. I never saw this mentioned any where else. I have not tried it this, just afraid of screwing something up. I know there is copper foil out there with sticky backing that might be worth a try. Its hard to tell what actually is going on, is it RF or is it something in the mains? The lock led on the MUX does not seem affected and that's the LED I will be using as an indicator on my case. Once the Buuff32 is in the case I am building then the on board LED's are out of sight and out of mind. If this can be proven as a problem affecting the sound then I am for fixing it, but the stock Buff32 sounds so good I do not want to muck it up.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:33:50 AM(UTC)
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Well it would seem I've managed to stop this drop out problem by shielding the analogue power leads to ground.
Instead of using the twisted + and - pair :) plus ground wire I just removed the ground wire and threaded the + and - twisted wires through some copper braid to ground instead.

Since then I haven't had a single drop out and it is now totally stable.

Strangely it doesn't appear that the digital power leads are effected just the analogue ones.

Hope this helps others with the problem.

Cheers
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:05:16 AM(UTC)
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I've had the flicker thing happen to me when I took the DAC to a high end audio store to demo it. I disconnected the ground loop wire going to chassis ground and it seemed to cure it.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:29:58 AM(UTC)
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What was the result of the demo ?
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:36:56 AM(UTC)
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avr300 wrote:
What was the result of the demo ?


It was interesting. The Buffalo32 "competed" against a commercial DAC, the G-Dis DAC-V. The owner of the store steered the comparison a bit too much towards the G-Dis in a not so subtle way though. I think it fared very well anyway and some people preferred the Buffalo :) The commercial DAC was thoroughly burned-in, the Buffalo was not. Also, the commercial DAC was upgraded with Furutech connectors which made the listed price close to double the build price of the Buffalo32.
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