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anbello  
#1 Posted : Friday, November 13, 2009 7:03:19 PM(UTC)
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Hi,
i finished to assemble my IVY for my Buffalo24 by some day and i'am now testing it.
I have used the suggested values on ivy_manual_2.0.pdf and i have the following problems:
- the two OPA1632 became really really hot (i cannot touch it for more then 1 second)
- the sound it's not bad but a little bit veiled (compared to previous setup: Buffalo with output transformer)
- the THD measured with RMAA and Audigy 2 NX on 96KHz/24bit is:
--- 0.06% (spdif out -> buffalo -> ivy -> Audigy analog in)
--- 0.006% Audigy in loop
--- 0.009% (spdif out -> chinese DAC based on CS4398 -> Audigy analog in)

Ciao
Andrea
Russ White  
#2 Posted : Friday, November 13, 2009 8:33:40 PM(UTC)
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Something is definitely wrong. I would need to see more information. :) Pictures maybe?
anbello  
#3 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 10:11:40 AM(UTC)
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Sorry for late answering, some problems in the week end.

As requested here are some photos.

http://www.hifilab.it/DAC/Buffalo1.jpg

http://www.hifilab.it/DAC/Buffalo2.jpg

http://www.hifilab.it/DAC/Buffalo3.jpg

http://www.hifilab.it/DAC/Buffalo4.jpg

http://www.hifilab.it/DAC/Buffalo5.jpg

The values used in the IVY are slightly different from those proposed:

R1 - R4 = 182ohm 1% hand matched
R9 - R16 = 2.2Kohm 0.1% Yageo MFP-25BRD52-2K2
R21, R22 = 100ohm 1% hand matched
C13 - C16 = 1nF Wima FKP2 2.5%
C17 - c20 = 470pF Wima FKP2 2.5%
C5 - C8, C21, C22 = 100uF Panasonic - ECG - EEU-FM1E101


Thanks in advance

Ciao
Andrea
anbello  
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:19:14 AM(UTC)
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Sorry Russ,
have you had the time to see the pictures of my system?
any hints?

I did a test to be sure that the problem is only in my IVY.
I used a unity gain buffer with an OPA2134 in voltage follower mode in place of the IVY, using only out + and gnd of each channel on the Buffalo.
In this way (leaving the other part of the system as described/pictured in previous post) i have a THD of 0.004%, less than the audigy in loop.

Ciao
Andrea
Russ White  
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:33:36 PM(UTC)
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Its normal for the OPA1632 to run hot, but I am not sure why the measured distortion is occurring. I can only suggest trying to remove or adjust some of the compensation caps. Especially around the BAL/SE stage since you are measuring the SE signal.

Cheers!
Russ
anbello  
#6 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 2:40:50 AM(UTC)
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Is it normal for the OPA1632 to run so hot to become untouchable?

Anyway thanks for your hints, i will try in that direction and i will let you know the results.

Ciao
Andrea
Russ White  
#7 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 4:18:47 PM(UTC)
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No it really should not get so hot you can't touch it. I have not ever seen that happen. It will get hot enough to not be comfortable. This is because the part has a high bias current.
anbello  
#8 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:55:55 PM(UTC)
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Maybe it's a problem of language, my "untouchable" can be near your "enough to not be comfortable".

Anyway i removed the compensation caps around the BAL/SE stage (C17 - C20) and configured IVY in "low impedance voltage input(hybrid)" as suggested in the "ivy_manual_2.0.pdf" with R1 - R8 all equal to 182Ohm (1VRMS at 0db), no C1 - C4, no R17 - R20 and C13 - C16 equal to 10nF. In this way i measure (using the same measuring setup described in previous posts) 0.003% THD and i am now satisfied with the sound i get even if i'am not sure if i like more the IVY or the transformer output stage (it seems to me to have a more detailed presentation in the transformer out setup, but i'am not a "golden ear").

Ciao
Andrea
avr300  
#9 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 1:55:05 PM(UTC)
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I like to join the line.

Mine isn't nice at all to touch either. In fact, I can feel the heat up through c9-c12. It's hot as ...., not in the range of "comfort" - untouchable it is.

The data sheet says quiescent current, 14ma pr. channel. That's pretty much energy to burn in those tiny things.
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