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abrough  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:27:40 AM(UTC)
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I got my Buffalo32 v1.0 running two days ago, it plays music wonderfully on both channels fine, however, when the music level drops to 0 (ie paused, or between tracks), the left channel plays a very harsh static noise. I can provide oscilloscope images.
A few notes:
- It does it on two different spdif sources (Sony DVD player and a M-Audio Audiophile 192)
- It does it with both the internal firmware and the volumite
- With the volumite, the noise volume goes up and down with the volume setting
- It does it with the case lid on and off, also a previous post suggested untwisting the spdif cable between the connector and the PCB, this had no effect.
- The Lock LED remains constantly on (Checked with oscilloscope)
- When I change the sample rate on the M-Audio soundcard (from 44.1k to 192k) the frequency of the static noise goes up. Also setting the spdif bits (consumer/pro, scms) has no effect
- The onboard switch settings seems to have a minor effect on the noise, but not much.
- PS voltages are stable on the scope.

I'm fairly concerned at this point, it seems that the DAC chip is decoding the idle spdif signal incorrectly. The right channel is fine, only the left channel has the issue.

Any help would be appreciated
Brian Donegan  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46:12 PM(UTC)
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Is is possible to post a picture of your implementation? It can help rule out simple physical layout issues.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:16:48 PM(UTC)
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Do you have the output traces cut were specified in the manual?
abrough  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:05:51 PM(UTC)
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Yes, all tested at 22ohms. I'm pretty sure it's not an analog stage thing.

I'll post pictures later tonight of the DAC build. I have images of the scope trace - 0.2V/div 0.1ms/div

Edit - I've sent an image to your TP email address
2nd Edit - Thanks for letting me know how to do attachements!

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:44:15 PM(UTC)
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Posting picture is kinda different here, You will see an attach button on the top right of your post after you post. You can then attach images to your post.
abrough  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:44:26 PM(UTC)
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Hi res-images have been emailed directly to Russ White. For the benefit of the forum, here are some of the images in reduced size.
nb - Some of the connections are currently disconnected...

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:29:29 PM(UTC)
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Yo tenia este problema, y lo solucioné poniendo un condensador de 100-200 nF en serie con la entrada spdif.

I had this problem, and I solved it with one capacitor 100-200nf in serie wiht spdif imput.
abrough  
#8 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:35:52 AM(UTC)
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I added a 220nF in series with the spdif input, but it did not work. :-(

I have a TP toslink adaptor which I can hook up to my Sony DVD player, I'll try that.
I'm open to suggestions as to how to diagnose the issue as I'm short of ideas on this one. Think
abrough  
#9 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:51:12 AM(UTC)
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Attached are two traces of the spdif signal. First is with no music playing, second with music playing.
A few notes:
- 0.1V/div approx .48V p-p
- 0.1uS/div for approx 2.8MHz (Correct for 44.1kHz)
- The trace is DC coupled, so the signal is balanced around 0V, ie it must be AC coupled at the source.
- Note the faint traces between the bright traces on the idle images, that is presumably the preamble which comes along every frame (32 periods)

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#10 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:04:57 AM(UTC)
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Here is the trace at R6, as it goes into the DAC chip. 1V / div for 3.3v p-p
Nothing really looks out of place

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#11 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:38:51 PM(UTC)
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The digital shots look fine. I have to say I am stumped myself.
abrough  
#12 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 1:29:42 AM(UTC)
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I just wired in the toslink module, same results. Audio plays fine until volume is reduce to 0 (or music paused etc.), and then the left channel plays a harsh static type noise.

Just to confirm, the rightmost regulator should produce 1.2V, and the other two 3.3V?

Unless anyone has any suggestions, shall I return it to TP for further diagnosis?

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#13 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 8:43:06 AM(UTC)
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abrough:
sorry to go off subject here but that is one of the better SPDIF signals I have seen, do you mind me asking what is your source?
There is lots of buzz about the quality of the SPDIF signal and many ways of implementing them after the chip and before the coax connector out.
abrough  
#14 Posted : Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:29:29 PM(UTC)
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It's from a M-Audio 'Audiophile 192' Soundcard. I posted them to show there's nothing really wrong the the digital source that could cause the problem I'm still having.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:17:32 PM(UTC)
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Can you check the output of the S/PDIF comparator to see if there is any noise on it's output with no signal?
abrough  
#16 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:28:41 PM(UTC)
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Hi,
I will post the images when I get a chance. I'm moving house right now and I'm sure Brian understands the calamity that goes with that.

Cheers
abrough  
#17 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:30:01 PM(UTC)
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Hi,
Sorry for the delay but moving house really takes it out of you.
Attached is the scope trace on the output of the comparitor with no signal. There is no noise, and the thickness of the line is simply as sharp as I can focus it.
Please help, I'm open to any suggesstions as it's unusable as is.

Adrian
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abrough  
#18 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2009 5:46:01 PM(UTC)
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Hi,
Is there anything anyone can suggest as how to diagnose or resolve this issue. I paid a lot of money for this DAC and I'd like to see it functioning properly. I've email Brian and Russ directly a while back but there seems to be no reply from them.
Cheers, Adrian
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:27:37 AM(UTC)
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anything to do with one psu VERY close to the BUFF32 pcb? I would try and move the B32 pcb further out to the side of the chassis
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