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First off, I want to thank Russ and Brian for taking their time to make such a great product and for being so quick to ship. I’ve been eagerly awaiting getting a buffalo dac for about half a year now and it’s exciting finally having everything coming together now.
Unfortunately I’m not terribly experienced with this kind of stuff, so I’ve jumped into something a bit over my head and have had to get some help from a few friends to figure things out. Last night I finally got some sound to come out and its sounding leaps better than the computers sound card (no surprise there) but there seems to be a bit of distortion in the midrange (around the frequency of where an acoustic guitar is). The odd thing is I only get this distortion when using xlr out to my speakers (buffalo directly to power monitors). I tried wiring the outputs of the buffalo to a 3.5mm jack and then connected that to an adapter cable back to xlr and to the same speakers and the distortion is no longer there. I figured I must’ve wired xlr right but after double checking I believe I have it right. The odd thing is the distortion sounds identical to when I had accidentally wired the toslink module into spdif on the buffalo instead of d1. I hope this is understandable, I’m at a complete loss for words when it comes to using the right tech terminology here. If you have any ideas as to whats wrong I’d love some insight. Also the manual mentions something about breaking a few points on the pcb if youre sending this signal to a powered source, but I’m up in the air on this because I’m uncertain if I’ll be using headphones or a preamp. Will this create a substantial difference or is it something I can leave for now? Thanks in advance
Ethan
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Hi Ethan,
Thanks for the kind words.
There are a few things that could be happening. Lets deal with the most simple.
It could very definitely be that your XLR cables are more capacitive then the output stage likes.
I would definitely cut the traces for the output Rs. This is very easy to undo if you want to later, just short across R51-54. But unless you have very low impedance headphones you probably won't need to.
Have you use balanced input into these speakers before?
Cheers! Russ
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Thanks a bunch Russ, that seemed to do the trick! When do the lock/mute leds come on? I assumed lock would come on when I'm getting a signal although so far that hasn't been the case, so I'm guessing I must've put the leds in backwards. Does that sound right?
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aeryll wrote:Thanks a bunch Russ, that seemed to do the trick! When do the lock/mute leds come on? I assumed lock would come on when I'm getting a signal although so far that hasn't been the case, so I'm guessing I must've put the leds in backwards. Does that sound right? If your getting music, the lock LED should be on. My guess is backwards LED(s). Glad to help. Cheers! Russ
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I'm getting quite a bit of distortion from the left channel of the Buffalo-32. Sort of a whizzing sound on top of the reduced level audio. I believe I have the grounds correct: only one ground connection to the VD connector and the VA grounds are open, and I've installed the jumpers on the bottom of the board. The Right channel is perfect.
I'd like to debug this problem further. Will there be a schematic posted? Or is this something under Brian's perview. If so, I'll patiently await his household move.
RossG
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Where are you connecting VA GND? Can you post a pic? Edited by user Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:33:18 PM(UTC)
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Also did you cut the traces to enable the output resistors?
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Yes I cut the traces to enable the output resistors, 4 of them, and I measure 22R across the gaps. Ground is connected to the VD (gnd) terminal. I "reasoned" that would be a good ground point to give even distribution across the board. I rechecked the gnd jumpers on the back side and they seem good. I have 5V on the + terminal of VD, and I have +- 15.00 going into both (left & right channel) VA terminals. I tried the board with and without the volumite, but the distortion is the same. A 1kHz sine wave producing 1.6V on the right channel (peak to peak, on both the + and - output terminals) measures 1.24V on the left channel. I can hear a superimposed buzz on a 400Hz sine wave. In playing Spanish Harlem (Rebecca Pidgeon) the string bass sounds like a rubber band being played on the left channel, but the right is perfect.
Any points on the board where I could compare left and right signals?
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I should mention also that I have all 4 dip switches set to the + side.
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Did you measure continuity across the jumpers?
You might want to check the DC bias at the inputs and outputs of the OPA1632. Also check for DC on the outputs. Check both accross and to GND. Take not that in some spots DC bias to GND is normal, but not at the final output.
Are you running PCM or SPDIF?
If SPDIF try pulling the on-board microcontroller.
Please send some close up pics of the top of the board.
Cheers! Russ
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Also, if there was any loss of continuity between the GND planes the way you wired the power supply might have killed the side of the chip with the lost GND reference. The reason being that the only path to GND would have been through silicon of the DAC chip which is not designed for that kind of current.
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Thanks for the reply. I'll look into what you suggest and get back to you tonight--with a pic or two.
RossG
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Enclosed is a shot of my B-32. Note white wires are positive voltage, black is negative voltage, green is ground. Here is the comparison of the left and right OPA1632 chips. Measured from large green ground wire. pin___left voltage___right voltage 1_______0.827V________0.827V 2_______-3.5mV_______-3.5mV 3_______15V___________15V 4_______0.9mV_________1.6mV 5_______1.4mV________-0.7mV 6______-15V__________-15V 7_______14.91V________14.91V 8________0.827V________0.827V Voltage across pin 1 and 8 (L) -0.4mV (R) +1.2mV Voltage across pin 4 and 5 (L) -0.5mV (R) 3.7mV Resistance from output pins of OPA1632 to terminals 22.3 ohms. Originally, before you posted the jumper info for the grounds, I had a common ground wire connected from the right VA gnd terminal, to the VD gnd terminal, and to the left VA gnd terminal. Now after making the jumper connections on the underside, one ground wire goes to gnd of the VD terminal. RossG Edited by user Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:41:05 PM(UTC)
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Here is a shot of my entire chassis. It's messy still, haven't cleaned up from when this had the original Buffalo board. I'll switch it to just two power supplies soon. Note, the large green wire is common ground which is a 'star' configuration originating at the upper right PS. RossG krgaunt attached the following image(s): Chassis_small.jpg (145kb) downloaded 682 time(s).You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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Are you feeding VD with +12VDC?
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There are two opa1632 per side. It looks like you measured only the one on output. How does the other one look?
Those measurements appear normal.
The only thing that jumps out at me is the Volumite connection.
You should be using all four wires out from the BUF32S and omitting the use of the VREG on the Volumite.
Also can you please tell me the IC parts that are closest to the DAC. They are the two opamps that are oriented 90degs different than the opa1632s.
Cheers! Russ
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Are you using the BUF32S firmware for volumite?
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Lots of questions to answer....but first, welcome back Brian... Hope the move went well.
"are you feeding VD with +12v?" No, I measure +5.00 on my meter across VD. The 12 V supply (pictured above) is for the mux and toslink.
"are you using the buf32S firmware?" Yes, it's in the volumite controller.
"tell me the IC parts that are closest to the DAC" IC 13: L49720, IC 3: L49710 IC 2: L49710 IC 14: L49720
I wired the volumite as perscribed.
Quiescent voltages across IC 9 & IC 12 seem normal, i.e. they are the same for each chip 1: 1.656V; 2: 1.653V; 3: +15.00; 4: 1.657V; 5: 1.657V 6: -15.00; 7: 14.91V; 8: 1.657V
What I've discovered is that a sine wave will fold over with the volumite pot at about 3/4 rotation. I'm sure this is the distortion that I'm hearing. Pins 4 & 5 of IC 9 & IC 12 start to fold over (reaches saturation?) at just over .7V (peak to peak).
And when I'm playing music, it's the peaks (such as when the string bass is plucked on Spanish Harlem) that I can hear the distortion. I have to turn the volumite control to about the half-way point for the distortion to clear, but the music is hardly audible. BTW, I using the Sympatico for my power amps--blanced inputs naturally.
When I disconnect all the wires going to the volumite and put in the original BUF32s firmware that came with the board (pluged into IC8), the Buffalo is at full volume (as I would expect) and fully distorted.
Should IC 9 & 12 be reaching saturation at .7V P-P output? With the original Buffalo I was able to crank the volumite up all the way and not get any distortion.
Is it possible that I have the wrong firmware chip?
RossG
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There should be no distortion at full volume, so something is definitely wrong.
This is true no matter if you measure at IC9/12 or at the output.
I doubt its the firmware.
You might try PCM input, it looks like you are using SPDIF.
I also would try removing the MUX from the equation.
12V is very much on the high side for MUX and Volumite. I would not run any higher than 7V. There is no need.
I will think this over, but for now I am stumped.
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