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tiguan  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:49:34 AM(UTC)
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Yesterday I finished my build for the Placid HD bipolar kit.
Positive rail works without problem after powering in 2 sec reaches to +15 v
But negative rail starts with -11 or -12 and very very slow reaches -15 v meanwhile dacboard locks itself
What shall be the reason ??
Bad solder or should I look something else

Additionally even for both rail CCS currents are the same , shunted currents are not the same
65 mA for positive rail
54 mA for negative rail

Thanks in advance for assistance

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#2 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:15:45 AM(UTC)
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One more thing...
For example I power the DAC, wait little bit when it is -14 v adjust with the related VR to -15 but it do not stop increasing still -15.01; -15.02 ; -15.03 ....it increases.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:24:43 AM(UTC)
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I checked all solder. No cold joint.

Shall it be a faulty VR
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#4 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:14:27 PM(UTC)
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That's for sure not normal.

Any chance we can see a couple of pictures of the rig ?
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#5 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:39:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: avr300 Go to Quoted Post
That's for sure not normal.

Any chance we can see a couple of pictures of the rig ?


Here I have uploaded a video

negative rail problem video
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#6 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 6:56:00 PM(UTC)
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Check for correct component placement and orientation.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 7:24:52 PM(UTC)
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#8 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:41:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: avr300 Go to Quoted Post
Check for correct component placement and orientation.


First of all thanks for your assistance to help.

From beginnig till end ;

First I put all components for positive rail right hand Side of the table and components for negative rail left hand side of the table
Then checked if the components are correct or not

Than put all small components at their place before soldering again checked for placement and orientation

After your recommendation I checked again placement and orientation and even component brand model no with lens , but no mistake

All this makes me think faulty component

There is no thermistor, as far as I know trimpots do not act az thermistor even if then are faulty , they pass or not they dont change themselves.

I dont know, lost inside. :)
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#9 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:47:51 PM(UTC)
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One other photo shut with lens

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#10 Posted : Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:42:17 PM(UTC)
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One more thing which recognized now.

When power is off;
I control both voltage VR, both works ok and I adjust both to 405 ohm.


Then power on;
CCS currents same 200 mA
Tp_vref for positive is 2,5v
Tp_vref for negative is 2,48v

Output voltage

Positive rail is 14,75 V
Negative rail is 6,5 V

Then try to adjust negative up to 14,75v but it fluctuates to much when I adjust to 14,75 V then Voltage VR is somewhere 1200 ohm something, and still -14,75 increases ,76 ; ,77 ; ,78 slowly.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:53:00 AM(UTC)
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This morning made 2 more measurements

1 ground to vr2 positive

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2 ground to vr2 negative

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#12 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:26:05 AM(UTC)
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Hi.

Try measure voltage between TP_VREF- and GND
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#13 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:25:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: avr300 Go to Quoted Post
Hi.

Try measure voltage between TP_VREF- and GND


They are 2.48 and 2.49
Yesterday it was 2.48 today 2.49 measured

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#14 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:32:43 AM(UTC)
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Excellent.

Next step, follow the vref voltage all the way to the opamp.

cut170116-1.jpg (32kb) downloaded 26 time(s).

ok or not ?
.

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#15 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:31:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: avr300 Go to Quoted Post
Excellent.

Next step, follow the vref voltage all the way to the opamp.

cut170116-1.jpg (32kb) downloaded 26 time(s).

ok or not ?
.


We are now on the spot :)

Tpvref -2.49
R13B 2 ... -2.49
R13B 1 ... -2.49
C8B - ... -2.49

IC2 3 ... - 0.99 (when I just touch the spot. Decreases and stops at -0.92 v)

On the positive rail IC1 3 ... +2.49
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#16 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:41:31 PM(UTC)
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Hmm. Bad solder joint at opamp pin3 ?

Do you have a fine tipped solder iron?
If so, give pin3 a quick heat.
.

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#17 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 1:10:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: avr300 Go to Quoted Post
Hmm. Bad solder joint at opamp pin3 ?

Do you have a fine tipped solder iron?
If so, give pin3 a quick heat.
.


Did not solved, I could not managed I guess
Thanks for your help.
Will try to find someone to touch there
Hope I will be able to solve.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 1:21:28 PM(UTC)
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Ok, please do report your findings here.

I'm sure its solvable.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 1:35:00 PM(UTC)
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Hopefully if there is nothing with opamp then it shall be solved.
I was planning to listen my new dac built it will be post
poned :(


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#20 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:19:41 PM(UTC)
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If you do have -2,49 at C8,

Quote:

C8B - ... -2.49
IC2 3 ... - 0.99


then you also need to have -2,49 at the pad where pin3 is supposed to make contact - it only one single track on the PCB.

cut170116-3.jpg (25kb) downloaded 21 time(s).

Get hold of your magnifying glass ;-) We need to get this running so you can listen.
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