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Kraz  
#1 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 2:36:25 AM(UTC)
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Hi Russ/Brian,

Need help with an issue that has me stumped.
Some background: I have enjoyed a dual mono Buffalo II with IVY IIIs, MUX, Volumite, Placids and Placid BPs for some time. Recently I had an issue with the Volumite potentiometer and replaced the Volumite with a new one. When it was replaced I found that only the left DAC board will lock on and not the right. A check of the Tridents pointed to a bad 3.3V board. Ordered new sets of Tridents and AVCC modules for both boards and replaced all 8 on both DAC boards.

I just finished putting everything back together and the lock LED will not come on on both channels. Input voltage to both DAC boards is around 5.3 VDC. The lock LED on the MUX comes on. LEDs on all the Tridents, AVCC modules, Placid and Placid BP boards light up normally. Shunt current as measured on the both Placid boards (R3) is about 60mA. I have been using a Squeeze Touch with SPDIF cable. Any clues as to why the boards will no longer lock on to the signal?
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#2 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 8:08:05 AM(UTC)
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Make sure that the 1.2v tridents are in the right spots.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:07:19 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for your suggestion avr300. Just now rechecked the position of 1.2v and 3.3v Tridents on both boards and they are correct. I got the new version of Tridents (v3) and AVCC module (v2.1) on the Buffalo II boards. Unless there are supposed to be any changes in the way they are installed, they are setup in the same position and oriented similarly to the older versions.

Any other thoughts?
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#4 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:44:44 PM(UTC)
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Upgrading to v3 / v2.1 is a clean swap, so you're good.

Pls. check output voltage of the tridents and the avcc (careful, don't let the probe slide).

And then it's time for a picture.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 2:38:32 PM(UTC)
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Here are the voltage measurements from Tridents and AVCCs:

Left Board:
Module --> In/Gnd Out/Gnd
VDD (A) --> 5.21v 1.174v
VDD_XO (B) --> 5.21v 3.28v
DVCC (C) --> 5.2v 3.28v
AVCC Left --> 5.19v 3.46v
AVCC Right --> 5.19v 3.46v

Right Board:
Module --> In/Gnd Out/Gnd
VDD (A) --> 5.22v 1.179v
VDD_XO (B) --> 5.22v 3.27v
DVCC (C) --> 5.22v 3.29v
AVCC Left --> 5.21v 3.49v
AVCC Right --> 5.21v 3.48v

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Kraz  
#6 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 3:00:47 PM(UTC)
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avr300  
#7 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 3:20:02 PM(UTC)
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What I would do was to reduce complexity just for the test.

Go single dac, go single input (omit the mux), go spdif.

Even without firmware chip attached, this configuration is able to play spdif input (beware, 100% volume @output)

Test each dac this way.
Kraz  
#8 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 3:49:01 PM(UTC)
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Before I break the whole thing apart which is going to be a lot of work, are there any more likely faulty components that would prevent a lock?

  • Should I try replacing the volumite? Could I have fried it during trident installs? Would that prevent the DAC from locking on considering the firmware chip is on the volumite?

  • I could try taking the MUX out and doing a straight SPDIF connection while keeping it dual mono.

  • I am even going to try another source just in case.


Any other likely options?

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#9 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 4:25:50 PM(UTC)
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You don't need to break the whole thing apart.

Just disconnect the volumite at the Vcc (+ at the vol.board). It should be enough.

Feed each dac with spdif, nothing fancy, "air-wires" will do. Just to check if we can get the boards to lock.


Yes, always good to check with another source.
Kraz  
#10 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 8:32:52 PM(UTC)
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Here are the things I have tried:


- While still in dual mono, changed to a different source. No lock.
- Removed MUX from the signal path and fed SPDIF straight to Buffalo II boards in dual mono. (SPDIF to one board with SPDIF switch on and D1/GDN to the next board with SPDIF switch off). No lock on either board.
- Removed the Volumite by disconnecting VCC. No lock on either board.
- With the Volumite not powered, tried feeding SPDIF to each Buffalo II board individually. No lock on either board.

I am out of ideas. What else I can try? Does the voltage to the Buffalo II boards need to be increased with Trident v3?
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#11 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 9:26:17 PM(UTC)
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No, input voltage in range 5.2 to 5.5 is ok.

Are you 100% sure, that the tridents deliver their voltage to the dac board. I know, it's a long shot but it is the most obvious since it's the area that you have upgraded.

Are the tridents soldered to the dac or are they socketed ?
Kraz  
#12 Posted : Sunday, December 8, 2013 9:34:00 PM(UTC)
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Other than the AVCC which is socketed, all Tridents are soldered. I was very careful soldering the Tridents on so doubt that its a soldering issue. Neither board is locking on so probability of me making a mistake on both boards is lower. Is there any other voltage on the Buffalo II board I can check to confirm? It feels like a silly issue somewhere but I can not figure it out.
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#13 Posted : Monday, December 9, 2013 7:17:29 PM(UTC)
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Not really. The numbers you have are spot on.

Something else is missing.

The only thing that comes up right now is polarity of the spdif signal ?? hot to hot and gnd to gnd.

Kraz  
#14 Posted : Monday, December 9, 2013 11:51:41 PM(UTC)
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Yes, polarity of the SPDIF signal cross checked. I did not change that during the trident installs but checked it again anyway.

Russ/Brian.. help!

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Kraz  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:58:22 AM(UTC)
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Really need this DAC to work... any other suggestions?


Brian Donegan  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:15:39 PM(UTC)
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You are really close by (in Massachusetts). If you want to send me the two DACs I can take a look at them.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:18:51 PM(UTC)
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Brian, if so, pls. post the fault and solution here. It's rather interesting.
Kraz  
#18 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 2:32:07 AM(UTC)
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Shipped out earlier today.

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#19 Posted : Monday, December 16, 2013 1:13:07 PM(UTC)
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I have your boards and have set up a test rig, but of course the battery in my meter is dead, so basic tests will have to wait until tonight.
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