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Russ White  
#41 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 7:40:27 PM(UTC)
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As long as only one type of signal (DSD or PCM) is connected there is no need for any sort of switch. :)

If the same source puts out both DSD and PCM from the same outputs then you will have no issues at all.

What that means practically is that if the signals are driven from different sources, you likely *do* need the OTTO-II - because you do want to accidentally drive one signal with another. For instance on source trying to drive a line low while another tries to drive it high. That's a short. :)

So the otto-II acts to switch between two inputs, and thus isolate them from each other.


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#42 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 7:45:41 PM(UTC)
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To do PCM and DSD without any reconfiguration required remapping and combining pins in the same way the sidecar does.

That picture you posted is overridden by the pin mapping the sidecar does for you. :)

Since you are using sidecar you need only set the remap DIP switch
Russ White  
#43 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 7:55:50 PM(UTC)
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In short one output should never be connected to another unless both outputs can be made a high impedance when the other is active.
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 10:37:37 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Russ ,

It was just an idea: The simpler the better ,but too good to be true:)
I try to mount the OttoII and see if I got no unlocks.
Let you know how things go.
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#45 Posted : Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:07:52 PM(UTC)
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Hi Russ,
After installing OttoII, DSD signals give rock-steady lock, but I2S (coming from vortexbox via USB2 to WaveIO) is not stable anymore: a lot of unlocks per minute. The only thing I changed was the position of the USB input on the source Switch. F.I.: pos.1= Toslink1, pos.2=Toslink2, pos.3= Coaxial, pos.4= USB.
I soldered the trigger for the sidecar on pos. USB where it logically has to be. When I've build the DAC a year ago, I removed the coaxial input and used that position to switch the sidecar in order to get a stable lock, but i did not remember anymore why I did that. After a little mind searching I remembered the way I solved the problem of the DAC not syncing solidly with I2S.
After resoldering the sidecar trigger to pos.3 all signals give rock-solid lock.
But I still have no hunch why this can happen.

Results becoming obvious after a few hours listening:

1. SACD's have gotten a new dimension: music is flowing in a very analog but very precise way.
2. I've seen some complaints in this forum sound quality, after placing OttoII, is clearly decreased. This in in my humble opinion absolutely not true. On the contrary, I have the distinct impression precision and liveliness of music has increased. Especially I2S seems to profit from the addition of OTTOII (maybe better isolation between sources?)
Short: I'm very pleased with the results .
Thank you Russ and Brian for the great help and advice you offer when things go wrong.
Kind regards,
Henri
Russ White  
#46 Posted : Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:35:16 PM(UTC)
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Anybody who would make such a such a statement about OTTO-II clearly has no understanding of why it works. It is significantly superior to the original OTTO.

Maybe you can reply and set them straight. :)

Very glad you have things going nicely now. Enjoy!

Cheers!
Russ
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#47 Posted : Friday, February 8, 2013 4:54:23 PM(UTC)
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Maybe you can reply and set them straight. :)

I like to do so, but my knowledge of digital is not quite up to date and certainly insufficient to do a reasonable discussion about it.
Now that I think of it: I'm puzzled by the fact position 3 of the switch module gives a stable lock for DSD or I2S signals while position 4 doesn't.
Do you know why?
ps.: I've listened now for a longer time and there definitely is an increase in sound quality . Imaging is better, music is more fluent and ambient atmosphere is more perceivable. Boo hoo!
Thanks for the excellent product.

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Russ White  
#48 Posted : Friday, February 8, 2013 5:00:18 PM(UTC)
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If you are tapping at the LED it could be a difference in forward voltage.

Very glad you are pleased.

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#49 Posted : Friday, February 8, 2013 6:04:14 PM(UTC)
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2. I've seen some complaints in this forum sound quality, after placing OttoII, is clearly decreased.


To the best of my knowledge, there has been one such statement.
henri47  
#50 Posted : Friday, February 8, 2013 7:31:41 PM(UTC)
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@ Brian: Yes , searching the treads, probably only one reaction about decreased SQ. But my ears tell a wholly different story. Fully subjective of course :=)
@ Russ: How can the forward voltage drop of the LED have influence on stable locking of the DAC? The LED sits in the trigger circuit and has a voltage drop of 2--2,4V. Therefore the resistor on the Sidecar board had to be changed to compensate for the Forward voltage drop.
But I was just curious. The results are phenomenal in every aspect of sound reproduction.
Many thanks again.

Russ White  
#51 Posted : Friday, February 8, 2013 8:30:32 PM(UTC)
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It may have nothing to do at all, unless the relay in not engaging fully. :) Was just a theory.

It could have something to do with the PCM/SPDIF detection on the DAC. I am as curious as you, as I can't replicate.

Cheers!
Russ
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#52 Posted : Friday, February 8, 2013 9:14:00 PM(UTC)
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I have one OTTO II/Teleporter in a modded Denon player to switch between I2S and DSD out and no issues with SQ. I'll be installing one in the DAC soon to switch between USB/I2S in and the Denon in.

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henri47  
#53 Posted : Friday, February 8, 2013 10:45:10 PM(UTC)
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I fully agree. Sound quality is excellent and is even increased after placing the OttoII in BIII. I can not explain it technically, but I sure can hear it.
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