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gwikse  
#21 Posted : Saturday, September 8, 2012 1:07:42 AM(UTC)
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5,6V?
That is too high. Set the placid to give you 5,15-5,20 and at least 50ma Shunt. Dont worry about frying the B3 by sourcing too much current. The B3 will not be affected by higher shunting. The shunted current is converted to heat by the placid.The worry is overheating the placid, but you are fine with shunting 50-80mA. Basically the placid allways draw enough current for the B3 at all times, and by doing this there is no delay from the power source when the current is needed.

Then on to the dac.

Do the lights on the front panel switch light up when you select an input now?
You should try without the front panel switch with dil at SW2:1 to on with SW2:2 to off for input 3(C on the sp-dif module) and SW2:1 to on with SW2:2 to on for input 4 (D on the sp-dif module). From what I read that is where you had connected your two sources.

Then you should also have both sources connected and turned on (dont know why it makes a difference, but....apparently when fully populating the sp-dif board, you have to either have a source connected and turned on, or some other fiddling). I ended up with using only one source through the 4ch input board and wish I had ordered the single (wich was not awailable when it was ordered).

From the manual (read it very carefully over and over until you think you understand, then ask to make sure you understood it correctly.
Quote:
S/PDIF input selection
Set these switches to OFF when using the EXT_IO connector (EXT_IO, 12). This allows the external
switch connected to this port to control the input selection.
Input selected SW2:1 SW2:2
D1 OFF OFF
D2 OFF ON
D3 ON OFF
D4 ON ON


The B3 is very complicated, but then again that is what the DIY community asked for (the flexibility of the ESS chip).
My B2 was put together far easier, I had to help a few friends after they had built their B3 based on my recommandation, but I think I know a little about what the fall-pits are now. Or at least enough to try again with new projects.

The current build went smoothly after a lot of troubleshooting by others on their dac`s here and elsewhere in advance. I got a lock on my first try, but then again I only have one sp-dif source (and input populated on the 4ch input card) connected and tested at that time.

Now I`m off for a few hours. Time for some zZz`s

Best regards
Gunnar
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#22 Posted : Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:42:30 PM(UTC)
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Hi Gunnar,

Voltage back down to 5.25 volts , thanks!!

Yes i have the LEDS on the switch PCB illuminated and they switch as i rotate the switch shaft accordingly
(as they did when i had the 4 wires on the wrong header!!)

I connected the two sources and set the DIP switches in accordance with your last post such that inputs C and D were selected on the 4 input SPDIF board (i did with and without the 4 input SPDIF board connected) keeping both SPDIF input sources running during the duration of the tests (but turning off/on and rechecking the power supply during each part of the test, still i have no Lock LED (Just a Mute LED)

I will read and re read the Buff III manual, however my thoughts are the problem is on the DAC (Someware!)
as i am confident a serviceable SPDIF signal is reaching the DACa by the switch by default of the DIL switches to the assigned header pins.


I tried these combos as Gunnar sugessted:
Input selected SW2:1 SW2:2
D1 OFF OFF
D2 OFF ON
D3 ON OFF
D4 ON ON
No Joy!

I Remain 100% committed to getting this DAC to work (one way or another!) and would welcome any other suggestions as to hot (waveforms?) or cold (DC resistance?) as i have access to a Oscilloscope at work.

Now get to sleep GunnarShhh

Best regards to all

Sawman
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#23 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 4:29:56 AM(UTC)
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HI All,

Can anyone advise me on how to do a cold DC check on the buff III DAC between earth and the DAC output in order to acccertain if the chip is serviceable (or any other checks?)

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:29:29 AM(UTC)
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Perhaps Russ or Brian can help you. I am no expert, since the things I had to do with mine does not work -> I hope TPA can help you with the DC test of the dac.

PS. Based on previous experience, asking for help from "anyone" rarely gets a reply. However if you ask Russ / Brian by name in the thread you are more likely to get a response (I guess they have an alarm going off if someone use their names in a thread ;)). Ding dong... :)
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:56:13 AM(UTC)
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Hi Gunnar,

Sage advice indeed mate--, Din dong, hi Russ H i Brian!, any advice on Cold DC checks or othere wise regarding a BUFFIII DAC with no lock light, I am running (have) run out of idears.

Thank you Boys
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:17:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gwikse Go to Quoted Post
PS. Based on previous experience, asking for help from "anyone" rarely gets a reply. However if you ask Russ / Brian by name in the thread you are more likely to get a response (I guess they have an alarm going off if someone use their names in a thread ;)). Ding dong... :)


Actually, we created the support forum because we were unable to keep up with the support demand and keep our day jobs at the same time. :)

Can you test the connection between the S/PDIF board and your DAC? That picture you posted of the ribbon cable looks a bit sketchy. If you have rewired it since then, can you post a new picture?
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:43:10 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for getting back I am also a very busy person!!-- So I appreciate the reply.

Here are some photos, I have tested the connectivity of each 20 strands of the ribbon and they buzz out ok, the top connector was left off (it broke actually!) but servers as a good test point for scoping SPDIF outputs and checking 5 volts are getting in, I can confirm that in accordance with the integration guide (with regard to the pin outs) there are serviceable SPDIF inputs and what looks like a TTL (smaller) level waveform leavening the 4 input SPDIF board to the DAC

The PSU is 5.25 v/ Shunting 50mA (and has also been replaced with a bench PSU for confirmation) still no lock LED, just the mute LED on.

Also I replaced the 4 wires from the input selector switch as the connector wires were getting frail with all the testing, as I said to Gunnar I had initially put the 4 wires on the “front “ of the header (pins 1/3/5/7) but r read the integration guide and correctly placed them on pins 2/4/6/8, I also notice IC 8 is a bit warm, but I guess that’s normal for an active device.

I have also removed IC 8 and force inputs 1 and 2 from the 4 input SPDIF card via the DIL input switches in accordance with the integration guide, with no luck, presently IC 8 is inserted and SW1/SW1 are all off And I have two serviceable SPDIF inputs in A and B inputs on the 4 input SPDIF board.

The LEDS on the 4 way input selector switch all light and LEDS 1 to 4 follow the switch as the poles are changes (so appears normal?) I have tried all 4 inputs (a/b/c/d) on the input SPDIF card and switched them with the selector switch but no lock LED indication. (yet

I am fairy confident that TTL level SPDIF are arriving at the DAC header.

CHEERS
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#28 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:37:28 AM(UTC)
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Russ / Brian: is the Trannies wrong way around?

They are at least the opposite way around from what I have tested and had a lock with (only one source and channel populated though).
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#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:25:55 AM(UTC)
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Hi Gunnar,

Here is another photo, think there correct

But i dont mind being wrongWhistle

cheers

john

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#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:01:01 PM(UTC)
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On the sp-dif input board.
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:24:41 PM(UTC)
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AH Ha!

you got me! , I don’t know if my mistake will make any difference (are they just 1:1 isolation transformers? dont know if Russ or Brian can correct me here?) but I will reorientation them correctly tomorrow (at work at the moment!) keep em coming!

Thank you Gunnar

John
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:57:44 PM(UTC)
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#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:47:22 PM(UTC)
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Hi Brian,

Thought not (Phew!), thanks for that.

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#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:14:51 PM(UTC)
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A few questions.

1. Have you tried connecting just one source, leaving all unused inputs open?
2. Have you tested the ribbon cable to be sure all connections are right?
3. Have you set dipswitches sw2:1 and sw2:2 both OFF when using the input selection board?
4. Have you tried to use the dipswitches sw2:1 and sw2:2 to select one of the inputs without the input selection board connected?
5. Is your mains voltage 110V ac?
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#35 Posted : Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:39:02 PM(UTC)
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Hi Corpius, thank you for replying.

I. have tried with only 1 source and with 2 sources also (I currently only have 2 sources)

2. I have done cold DC checks on each of the 20 strands, all buzz out OK.

3. sw2:1 and sw2:2 are currently both off and have been tested in that configuration (I have also tried different bandwidth and SPFIF bypass-all switches are currently Off)

4: I have tried sw2:1 and sw 2:2 to select two inputs separately.

5. Here its 230v

Personally i am convinced a Serviceable TTL level signal is leavening the 4 input SPDIF card to the DAC.

Keep em coming!

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#36 Posted : Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:12:11 PM(UTC)
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have you tested without volume control, using just the provided jumper?

Do you have a scope to measure the spdif signals? If so, you should try measuring them at the inputs of the DAC board. At the bottom side for instance.
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#37 Posted : Friday, September 14, 2012 10:06:19 PM(UTC)
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Hi Corpius,

I have tested with out volume control and with link provided no joy.(no lock LED. mute LED remains on)

I have scoped the SPDIF in to the 4 input SPDIF module and out on to the header of the DAC, I can also confirm that the 4 way switch switches the waveform where they should be in the DAC input pins, so TTL SPDIF is getting to the DAC OK, the problem must be on the DAC then?

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#38 Posted : Saturday, September 15, 2012 4:19:29 AM(UTC)
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The 4 way switch doesn't switch any wave forms...
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#39 Posted : Saturday, September 15, 2012 7:22:02 AM(UTC)
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Hi Russ, thank you for replying:
(What I believed I saw)
(with reference to page 7 on the Buff integration guide—again with respect to INA/INB/INC/INC inputs and on J1 (output to ribbon cable) I scoped between pins 3-4/5-6/7-8/9-10 as I switched the 4 way selector switch I was able to follow the input to the corresponding output on J1.
I confirmed the waveform I was scoping on the output was related to the input as I disconnected the USB DAC input i was able to see the output waveform disappear (so I was attempting to confirm that what I was scoping on the output was associated with all four inputs respectively)
I also have used the dip switches to select input a known good SPDIF signal between INA.1 and INA.2 (used the dipswitches sw2:1 and sw2:2 to select one of the inputs without the input selection board connected) as suggested by Corpius
I have scoped D1 on the DAC (with D1 selected on the 4 input selector switch at that time) and observed a " squarwave " across the D1 Pins which disappeared as I disconnected the USB SPDIF input)
That’s why I think i have an input to the DAC. (I am not saying I am right but that’s where I think the evidence leads me?) ---And I right in thinking I have overlooked something basic?? . (..I am even now wondering if I have fitted the Trident correctly?..Please see attached picture (just to confirm that)..I am baffled

Thank you
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#40 Posted : Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:50:03 AM(UTC)
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Looks like you swapped a trident. According to the integration guide they should be installed like this (see attachment).

Before you go swapping tridents:Use a magnifying glass (I could do without) to read the values of the resistors on the tridents to confirm of they are wrongly installed or not. The values should be as shown at page 28 of the integration guide.

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