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DQ828  
#1 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:30:27 AM(UTC)
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I got the Tosilink module working by adding in the voltage divider as suggested, but,

I have just added a BNC connector & purchased a BNC to RCA cable so I can use that to connect my squeezebox, the SPDIF will not Lock, it flashes much like the Toslink did before I put the voltage divider in.

I have installed a 75ohm resistor at the input as per the manual.

Any suggestions? As far as I can tell it is all as per the manual, all the DIP switches are off, I am just running stereo, nothing special.

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#2 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:35:18 PM(UTC)
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Hi DQ828,

Have you tried disconnection the source that is connected to the toslink module and connect only the spdif source? Some others too are having lock isseus when they have both sources (spdif & toslink) connected somehow.

You could also play a bit with the DPLL settings. Try increasing the value. This should allow the DAC to get a lock to the incoming signal much easier.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:32:16 PM(UTC)
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Try simply connecting -In and GND for the consumer level SPDIF. Ditch the shielded cable, use normal wire.
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#4 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2012 2:24:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Russ White Go to Quoted Post
Try simply connecting -In and GND for the consumer level SPDIF. Ditch the shielded cable, use normal wire.


I started with normal cable in my first attempt, I have now gone back to the normal cable & tried the + & Grnd connection to no avail, this time I didn't even get a flicker, I'm wondering if I should try swapping the + & -?

What I did do was install a standard RCA connector and use my original SPDIF cable that has the RCA on both ends & guess what it worked?

That leads me to believe there is an issue with the new cable or the BNC connector, or the way the new cables RCA connects to the Squeezebox?

Any thoughts?

I did check the continuity of the new cable & it appears to be fine

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Why is there a question? Use the connector that works, the other one is bad. :)
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#6 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2012 5:55:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Russ White Go to Quoted Post
Why is there a question? Use the connector that works, the other one is bad. :)


There is a question because I just spent a bunch of money on cables & connectors trying to get the supposed best result, 75ohms & no reflections, and I generally don't take the approach "oh that doesn't work, I'll just ignore it" maybe Leon has a thought on what may be wrong? I've' tried everything I can think of.

I purchased 2 BNC to RCA cables & they are both doing the same thing, so I don't think it is the cables.

I have just connected another component via the new BNC cable, while the older SPDIF cable was still connected to the RCA input plug (two components connected at the same time), as soon as I connect the BNC cable, it upsets the SPDIF connection as well, hmmm, there seems to be some sort of cross talk going on.
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#7 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2012 4:51:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DQ828 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Russ White Go to Quoted Post
Why is there a question? Use the connector that works, the other one is bad. :)

I purchased 2 BNC to RCA cables & they are both doing the same thing, so I don't think it is the cables.

BNC to RCA is of no use. It's the RCA part that still would cause reflections, and now it would just be on the other end.
If both cables are of the same manufacturer and have the same problem it could be the cable design, but also be the BNC connector or the connection to it.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:09:39 AM(UTC)
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Why is there a question? Use the connector that works, the other one is bad. :)

I purchased 2 BNC to RCA cables & they are both doing the same thing, so I don't think it is the cables.

BNC to RCA is of no use. It's the RCA part that still would cause reflections, and now it would just be on the other end.
If both cables are of the same manufacturer and have the same problem it could be the cable design, but also be the BNC connector or the connection to it.


You recommend in your manual

"Although RCA connectors are often used as a coax connector, please beware that these are rarely of true 75Ω impedance. To avoid reflections due to impedance differences, instead of using RCA it’s better to use a true 75Ω BNC connector. There are several types, but whatever connector you choose: make sure
it is 75Ω impedance. Suggestions for connectors can be found in the extended bill of materials."


that a BNC connector is installed as the input to stop reflections, as almost all consumer sources (cd players etc) have standard RCA outputs for the SPDIF It seemed logical that you where expecting the source to be RCA & the input to the DAC to be BNC. If this is not the case it appears I have wasted a bunch of money on 2 custom cables & 2 input connectors.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:13:36 PM(UTC)
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If you want true 75ohm, you have to use that impedance throughout the entire chain. Just using it on one end does little to nothing. But even if you have RCA on the other end, wasting money is not the case: good BNC chassis connectors are cheaper than good RCA chassis connectors. And that second chassis connector can easily be fitted to the main source, to get you a 75 ohm interface on both ends.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:06:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeonvB Go to Quoted Post
If you want true 75ohm, you have to use that impedance throughout the entire chain. Just using it on one end does little to nothing. But even if you have RCA on the other end, wasting money is not the case: good BNC chassis connectors are cheaper than good RCA chassis connectors. And that second chassis connector can easily be fitted to the main source, to get you a 75 ohm interface on both ends.


Leon

Your manual is fantastic, if you do another edition can I suggest you point that out in the manual just so beginners like me don't misunderstand.

Now all I have to do is work out how to get the BNC connector on to the Squeezebox javascript:insertsmiley('Angel%20','/forum/Images/Emoticons/eusa_angel.gif')

Regardless of all that I'm blowed if I know why the cables don't work, I may have to give up after all & put it down to experience.

Thanks for you help

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:04:28 PM(UTC)
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There are lots of sources for Squeezebox mods, fi: http://www.pinkfishmedia...m/showthread.php?t=57212 for the Squeezebox 3.
Have you checked the resistance of the cables? Custom made can be a good thing, but doesn't mean it is defect free.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:28:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeonvB Go to Quoted Post
There are lots of sources for Squeezebox mods, fi: http://www.pinkfishmedia...m/showthread.php?t=57212 for the Squeezebox 3.
Have you checked the resistance of the cables? Custom made can be a good thing, but doesn't mean it is defect free.


People will mod anything! thanks for the link, I think :)

The resistance is the same as the old SPDIF RCA cable I am using that works fine 0.2ohm.

It's a mystery to me.

Thanks for the input.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:00:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeonvB Go to Quoted Post
There are lots of sources for Squeezebox mods, fi: http://www.pinkfishmedia...m/showthread.php?t=57212 for the Squeezebox 3.
Have you checked the resistance of the cables? Custom made can be a good thing, but doesn't mean it is defect free.


Hmm that is tempting, the photo's didn't load the first time I looked at the thread, it turns out he go his cable from Blue Jeans as well.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:32:08 AM(UTC)
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FWIW, I use cheapo RCA cables for S/PDIF (when I use it). Never had a problem.
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#15 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 12:46:04 AM(UTC)
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FWIW, I use cheapo RCA cables for S/PDIF (when I use it). Never had a problem.


The Blue Jeans cable aren't that expensive in the scheme of things, what do you normally use to input the music when you are not using the SPDIF, as yet I haven't got my brain around the other formats DSD etc.
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