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Dougie085  
#1 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 2:14:16 PM(UTC)
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Ok I had my Opus working in stereo mode with the USB module. I just recently added a second DAC board for dual mono and a metronome.

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In dual mono mode the output of the channel the DAC is setup for (left or right) will be normal on that side's(left or right) output terminal. The opposite output terminal will be the same analog signal but inverse.

So lets say you have one DAC board setup as mono right channel. For balanced output you need to connect Right + and Left -, and Right - and Left + then you just take GND.


This is what you said over there Russ. I'm pretty sure thats how I have it connected. I have to find my battery charger for my camera but I should be able to snap a few pics soon here.
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#2 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 2:36:22 PM(UTC)
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Ok I'm not sure if these pictures show you much of anything but here they are. I'm guessing you might want to see the jumpers on the Metronome I'll have to pull the USB module off in a few and take a picture of it. I have to feed my son real quick though so give me 15 min. Let me know if you see anything wrong in these pictures though.

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Russ White  
#3 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 2:45:18 PM(UTC)
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Ok, so it looks like you are taking single ended output?
Dougie085  
#4 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 2:49:22 PM(UTC)
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Yes single ended. I connect it directly to my amp.
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#5 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 2:49:49 PM(UTC)
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Did you try getting things working with single stereo DAC and the metronome? Can't remember if you said so or not.

What I am wondering is if you might just have a metronome setup issue.
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 2:56:54 PM(UTC)
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No didn't do that. I had it working before with just the USB module and DAC. I took a picture of the Metronome so maybe you could check the settings.

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#7 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 3:01:23 PM(UTC)
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Remove the disable jumper on the metronome. :) That's the issue. Your clock is disabled. You don't want that unless you are using an external reference clock.

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#8 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 3:18:13 PM(UTC)
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Ok it's working now and sounds excellent except when I play music and then turn off the music there is this weird like pulsating static sound coming out for about 15 seconds or so and then it stops.
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#9 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 3:23:38 PM(UTC)
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That sound like it coul be a couple of things... first I would check all your wiring is making very good contact in the terminal blocks. It could be a loose connection.

Also make sure that the I2S wiring is short and direct.

The shortest path is to stack metronome and the two DACs in one vertical stack. the run the wire straight up and down.

Also make sure that you don't have power supply or analog wire running in parallel with digital lines.

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Dougie085  
#10 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 3:25:29 PM(UTC)
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Ok I'll have to move stuff around when my son goes to bed here soon. Getting hard to mess with it and him pulling stuff off my desk constantly.
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#11 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 3:31:44 PM(UTC)
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Maybe I'll swap the input and output wires for shielded wire. I have a bunch of silver plated copper thats shielded rather well.
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#12 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 6:30:12 PM(UTC)
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Ok modules are all stacked on top of each other now (except the PSU which is inside the box) and the wires are as short as possible and its shielded wire. The same thing still happens. Before I play something completely silent after I play something and then pause it for about 15 seconds or so there is a static like pulsating sound.
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 7:08:06 PM(UTC)
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Whats strange is this sound wasn't there before the Metronome. Also I don't hear it when playing music. There is a bit of static sound when there are quiet parts of music but nothing like the sound I hear when I stop music.
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#14 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 7:33:28 PM(UTC)
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Thought I would mention something I found a bit strange. When my computer just a click or something it doesn't happen when a loud sound happens it makes the sound like its resonating or something.... I'm not sure if that makes since. BUt like a loud status sound passes and then its like a wave of noise keeps going for a second. Kind of like noise coming from caps discharging or something I don't know. Any idea's?
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#15 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 8:15:54 PM(UTC)
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Thats a new one on me, I have never experienced it.... Only thing I can think of is the way you are taking the single ended signal, as an asymmetric load. Still this should not occur, so I am thinking there is something else...
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#16 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 8:19:43 PM(UTC)
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Well I have absolutely no clue what it could be. I wired it up just like anyone else does. All the modules are stacked on top of each other. At the bottom are the 2 opus modules on top of those is the Metronome and on top of that the USB module. Power wires are not running right next to the I2S or Analog output wires. I have no clue whats going on here.
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#17 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 8:22:50 PM(UTC)
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Was this happening prior to the metronome being in place? You could try dual mono with no metronome and see if there is a difference. This will tell us where to focus.

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#18 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 8:26:19 PM(UTC)
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No it wasn't happening prior. There was a bit of noise before but I changed the mounting method and this noise that I'm hearing now is not the same. I'll have to give it a try without the Metronome. Might now be tonight though.
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#19 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 8:50:55 PM(UTC)
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While I don't have an answer to the issue you are having with the strange noise I do have some comments about summing the outputs of voltage output dacs. Current outputs can be summed directly by adding the currents (just place in parallel) but in the case of a voltage source they should be resistively summed in order to avoid problems relating to gain mismatch between the two devices - best case if they are identical they sum well, if they are not (and they aren't) you get difference currents flowing between the two output stages with each trying to make both outputs conform to what its feedback signal says it should be. This usually results in higher distortion at best, and can result in other problems. (Like fried op-amps, oscillations and frequency response errors.Note that the output of this dac is an op-amp...)

Also using the balanced output of a dac chip single ended is throwing away 6dB of output voltage, and the common mode noise and distortion canceling benefits of a balanced output. You can use a transformer to passively convert balanced outputs to unbalanced to drive your RCA jacks or you can buy one of the TPA boards for this purpose.

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kevinkr  
#20 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 9:01:11 PM(UTC)
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Watch out for ground loops in your power supply and signal wiring. You actually should normally have just one ground return per board.. Probably better to daisy chain the digital grounds from board to board and have only one connection back to the supply negative. You want the ground plains of all the boards to be at the same ac potential which implies short (SHORT!)wires between each board. To avoid loops there should not be more than one going back to the psu.

Incidentally for a really low inductance ground conductor braid in heat shrink or teflon tubing is appropriate for the ground connections.

I have a single ground connection to each board, and I ignore all other ground connections except for one to the isolated bnc I use for spdif which goes to the receiver board. Both dac boards grounds are alsp connected to the IVY. (Did not cause a loop problem)My receiver and dac (2) boards are stacked with a single supply ground bussed to all 3 pcb. Should your analog and digital supplies have separate grounds I found it best to bring both grounds to just 1 board and then buss a single ground to the rest. Ground loops are one of the potential downsides to modularity - you just have to be aware that the possibility exists and avoid it if possible.

You may need to experiment to find the right grounding strategy.

My cod based dac is totally silent, and sounds great, but it took some tinkering to get it that way. My dac is not very representative of the standard board set because I built bare boards of the IVY and 2 CODs and made minor modifications. I'm also using my own psu design which is entirely different from the TPA supplies. (And transformer based balanced to unbalanced outputs driven directly by THS4131.)

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